Student Facing Suspension, and Possible Criminal Charges...
Student Facing Suspension, and Possible Criminal Charges...
... For making a Proxy out side of school. For his job. Now they threaten him with aiding criminal activity and disrupting school.

Once again, Schools think they are gods, and students are mere peasants to poo on. picked by Muppetmaker 7 months ago
tags Student Langley High School Proxy Work
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 T1000
7 months ago
I'm in college and proxies aren't allowed here either. Network admins have reason to block certain sites, such as Youtube, which is famous for sucking up unbelievable amounts of bandwidth on networks.

Australian IT

(The link isn't really working, just copy and paste it I guess)

Fixed your link - Muppetmaker
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 maven
7 months ago
Do you seriously think that schools don't have the right to limit students activities online? He's creating the means for them to get around it, so yes, is responsible for that behavior. Schools ARE dictatorships--deal with it. I assure you, there's crap that happens now that would not have been tolerated even 10 years ago! Why? Because schools are losing power. Instead of being able to focus on teaching, they have to babysit as well.

As a tax payer, I support schools doing what they can to provide a LEARNING environment. Clearly, the schools don't have jurisdiction over non-students but that in no way reduces their ability to enforce rules on anyone who is within their bounds.
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 Muppetma...
7 months ago
« maven : Do you seriously think that schools don't have the right to limit students activities online? He's creating the means for them to get around it, so yes, is responsible for that behavior. Schools ARE dictatorships--deal with it. I assure you, there's crap that happens now that would not have been tolerated even 10 years ago! Why? Because schools are losing power. Instead of being able to focus on teaching, they have to babysit as well.

As a tax payer, I support schools doing what they can to provide a LEARNING environment. Clearly, the schools don't have jurisdiction over non-students but that in no way reduces their ability to enforce rules on anyone who is within their bounds.
From what he says, he in no way marketed this or designed it for his fellow students to abuse. It was a personal thing he created out side of school. The school needs to evaluate what he did, and then do what they do with every other proxy they find. Block it. I dont see them going after the hundreds of thousands of other people who make Proxys
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 maven
7 months ago
A private proxy, nothing of commercial value, but one that I, along with a small group of friends, would personally use.
There's nothing in that statement or any other than indicates he did NOT intend for the proxy to be used by his classmates, in school, in violation of school policy.

"Hey, I didn't mean for that to happen. But I didn't take any steps to prevent it."

Not the greatest defense.
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 hypersap...
7 months ago
« maven : Do you seriously think that schools don't have the right to limit students activities online? He's creating the means for them to get around it, so yes, is responsible for that behavior. Schools ARE dictatorships--deal with it. I assure you, there's crap that happens now that would not have been tolerated even 10 years ago! Why? Because schools are losing power. Instead of being able to focus on teaching, they have to babysit as well.

As a tax payer, I support schools doing what they can to provide a LEARNING environment. Clearly, the schools don't have jurisdiction over non-students but that in no way reduces their ability to enforce rules on anyone who is within their bounds.
No, the school has absolutely NO authority to tell a student what they can or can not do outside of school. Inside school, yes. At least to a certain extent. But the school's jurisdiction ends at the property line.
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 maven
7 months ago
When outside school behavior impacts in school activities, you bet they can.
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 hypersap...
7 months ago
« maven : When outside school behavior impacts in school activities, you bet they can.
No, they can't. They can try to reach an arrangement, but they can only tell students what they can and can't do while the students are inside the school.

Or at least that's how it should work.
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 Muppetma...
7 months ago
« maven:When outside school behavior impacts in school activities, you bet they can.
The concept that a school has the authority to punish a child for his actions outside of school has come up before. Schools think they are the ultimate authority for their students.

A long time ago, when this kinda stuff happened they would just brush it off. In the article he mentions that his student ID was banned, this tells me that each student has their own account they can log into to access the web. This also tells me that the school can then track who uses what sites. Punish the kids using the site, dont go after the creator.

If I log onto google and search for "Pipe Bomb" and then build one and set it off somewhere, the DA is not going to charge Google in aiding of Criminal Conduct. They are going to go after me. For being the jack ass. They cant go after the website that has it up, as for the BILL OF RIGHTS, and a little thing we like to call FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

If this kid wants to make something outside of school, and doesnt intentionally bring it into the school, and tell everyone about it, then they have no authority to punish him. And if they had any common sense, they would block any web address that has the word PROXY in it.

But god forbid.

(Btw, Im not arguing to be an a*****e, you make a valid point, but I dont believe the schools should try to be the goverment. If they want to punish him with detention or suspension thats fine, but to bring about charges is ridiculous. But still, I dont see the school going after every single person who owns one of the sites that they have blocked. So I dont see why they have the right to go after one who happens to go to the school. He did nothing illegal.)
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 Maven
7 months ago
Schools accept acountability and responsibility for minors. Minors do NOT have the same rights as do adults, nor do they accept the same burden as do adults.

Further, this story is being told from this guys perspective, so what's to say that he's telling everything up front?
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 imnotyoo
7 months ago
This is ridiculous. What a student does off of school property is absolutely none of the school's concern (save for hit lists-making and hazing and things like that).

While I'm at it, I'm also against most homework. Schools keep students for eight hours every day and then send them home with more work to do, taking time away that could have been spent with their family or friends or hobbies.

Actually, I just pretty much hate schools.

Viva la homeschool!
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 digitalg...
7 months ago
« Maven : Schools accept acountability and responsibility for minors. Minors do NOT have the same rights as do adults, nor do they accept the same burden as do adults.
That's what *PARENTS* are (supposed to be) for. not the school. PARENTS.
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 tragluk
7 months ago
Ok, first of all he didn't "Create a website" he created a "workaround" to get past what the school deemed acceptable content.

Here's how it works.

The school blocks "playboy" by looking at where you are browsing, then blocking it. This is standard software in schools nowadays. This kid, outside of school, made a website that allows him to browse to "playboy" because the filtering software doesn't block his proxy address, it only blocks the playboy one.

He's circumventing the school's allowed list of sites and then complaining that the administration is unhappy about it. He obviously knows what he's doing but nowhere in the article does he explain what he needed a proxy to visit that the school wouldn't allow him to.

Those filters are there for a good reason. They block anarchist, pornographic, dangerous and otherwise unhealthy (or bandwidth hungry) sites which disrupt an educational establishment. And any attempt to circumvent it should be met with by the administration as someone who is abusing their PRIVLEDGES at school to views this type of banned material.

That's right. Your using a computer at school is a PRIVELDGE, not a Right.

"Wah, all I did was create an innocent website"

Yeah right. That's not what you did and you know it. Hopefully other wise individuals realize it also after they read your attempt to create libelous allegations against the school administration.

And I do hope they catch on to his website here and ban him from all computers on campus.
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 hypersap...
7 months ago
« tragluk : Ok, first of all he didn't "Create a website" he created a "workaround" to get past what the school deemed acceptable content.

Here's how it works.

The school blocks "playboy" by looking at where you are browsing, then blocking it. This is standard software in schools nowadays. This kid, outside of school, made a website that allows him to browse to "playboy" because the filtering software doesn't block his proxy address, it only blocks the playboy one.

He's circumventing the school's allowed list of sites and then complaining that the administration is unhappy about it. He obviously knows what he's doing but nowhere in the article does he explain what he needed a proxy to visit that the school wouldn't allow him to.

Those filters are there for a good reason. They block anarchist, pornographic, dangerous and otherwise unhealthy (or bandwidth hungry) sites which disrupt an educational establishment. And any attempt to circumvent it should be met with by the administration as someone who is abusing their PRIVLEDGES at school to views this type of banned material.

That's right. Your using a computer at school is a PRIVELDGE, not a Right.

"Wah, all I did was create an innocent website"

Yeah right. That's not what you did and you know it. Hopefully other wise individuals realize it also after they read your attempt to create libelous allegations against the school administration.

And I do hope they catch on to his website here and ban him from all computers on campus.
He created the proxy for work, and he didn't the other students about it. All the school had to do was block the proxy.
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