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I guess what I'm trying to say is confusing.

Chaos

I got what you meant, but it is just a tad.

I guess the gist of it is that everything is just a bunch of fluctuations in a bunch of variables in the universe and none of it requires a purpose to exist. All of it could stop and no purpose is being denied. No "plan" is being halted.

Well I'm not suggesting that there's some greater plan, what I meant was that everything has a purpose. Action, reaction. Just because we can't ourselves predict the action or the reaction does not mean that it's static. That's just the main she-bang of my point.

I guess we just use different definitions of purpose.

Now whose bringing religion into this?

I was responding to what I thought was someone saying that the universe has a plan. That doesn't necessarily mean anything religious, and I certainly wasn't bringing it up.

See the face my avatar is making? That's the face it makes when I believe you.

Stephen Hawkings: The Second Law of Thermodynamics, "states that disorder always increases with time."

So, I'm going with chaos.

Oh what does Stephen Hawkings know?

Although disorder is not the same as chaos, I still think I might be right.

From what I learned about entropy in Physics, this is what I understand:

Entropy of the whole system of the universe always (always always always) increases. This means that everything gets to be more random. It doesn't do this because it has to, it just does because the probability of it happening any other way is almost zero (almost means something crazy like 1 divided by 10 to the power of a billion) so it might as well be zero.

So if we're talking about the entire universe? Chaos hands down.

But there is a certain order to the world in its specifics. The human body is ordered and specific but the energy that it takes to develop a body with such a tight format increases the entropy of the world.

(Someone said this was a chicken and the egg problem and I absolutely agree, I'm dashing in circles)

But on the other hand, there's a perfectly logical mathematical order to entropy. I could (won't, but could) calculate all kinds of probabilities and stuff that could effectively measure entropy. That's a pretty orderly thing, I would say.

Good question, I'm going to be pondering this for awhile. College physics makes you think about way more than you really ever wanted to think about. :)

This guy, Max Tegmark has an interesting view about the universe that I think that everyone should really read. I was reading about his interview with Discover Magazine, July issue, while on the plane to Chicago on Friday June 13th, 2008. He really blew my mind.

I wish I could post the article, if I found it online. When I get home I will scan it for everyone to see and comment on.

/threadjack

Oh and Chaos!