<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?><xml><meta><title> Muslim call to adopt Mecca time : XML WIDGET</title><link>http://www.plime.com/world/</link><description>You can use this XML spec to create a desktop widget or other application (i.e. Flash visualization). 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It hasn't moved much, perhaps at your latitude only a few kilometres, but it's moved.  <br/><br/>I know this because I recently spent an entire week with a geophysicist rectifying some old geomagnetic surveys with new ones, right near the zero-decilination line in Wisconsin, and that darned line?  It moved!  <br/><br/>Which was nice, because when we did the same thing on another data set the declination (and inclination, because were at a large enough latitiude where were were significantly affected by inclination) had changed by several degrees between surveys.]]></content><score></score><crdate>4/22/2008 2:42:22 PM</crdate><rssdate></rssdate><atomdate>2008-04-22T14:42:22+01:00</atomdate></comment><comment><id>244729</id><url>http://www.plime.com/world/l/59251/1/xml_widget.rss#q12</url><title><![CDATA[2manyusernames @ 4/22/2008 1:46:27 PM]]></title><content><![CDATA[<div class='qp pad d'><a class="page-dull td" href="/world/l/59251/1/#q9"><b>&laquo;</b></a>&nbsp;<i><b>zzz</b> : &quot;Zero Declination&quot; has nothing to do with a man-made line.<br/><br/>I am referrring to a line in which, for the past 500 years, there has been no variance between magnetic north and the true north.<br/><br/>Most locations on Earth have a variance between magnetic and true north.  It can be over 10 degrees in most places.<br/><br/>The guy is trying to claim that Mecca has no magnetic variance, which is false.<br/><br/>The line I am referring to is in the US, and it has remained magnetically stable for over 500 years.</i></div>okay, you are correct there with the exception that it does move and has changed wildly before. 500 years is nothing compared to the age of the earth so there is no reason to use that arbitrarily chosen line over another.<br/><br/>That doesn't mean we should change the zero time line to mecca or anywhere else for that matter (which I know you weren't advocating)]]></content><score></score><crdate>4/22/2008 1:46:27 PM</crdate><rssdate></rssdate><atomdate>2008-04-22T13:46:27+01:00</atomdate></comment><comment><id>244716</id><url>http://www.plime.com/world/l/59251/1/xml_widget.rss#q11</url><title><![CDATA[chinook @ 4/22/2008 1:35:43 PM]]></title><content><![CDATA[<div class='qp pad d'><a class="page-dull td" href="/world/l/59251/1/#q2"><b>&laquo;</b></a>&nbsp;<i><b>zzz</b>:The line of zero declination runs from Wisconsin through Louisiana. </i></div> HOLY SMOKES!!  I HAD NO IDEA IT STOPPED AT THE US BORDERS!! This means I have to unlearn EVERYTHING!! <div class='qp pad d'><a class="page-dull td" href="/world/l/59251/1/#q2"><b>&laquo;</b></a>&nbsp;<i><b>zzz</b> :Over the past 300 years that line has been far more stable than the one which they're trying to use as the basis of the claim that Mecca should be the standard point. <br/><br/>Not only that, but Mecca isn't at zero degrees declination, it's at about 3 to 5 degrees, and the zero line has been moving away from it for the past 50 years.</i></div>The 0 declination line has been shifting through Louisiana, too.  Look through government topo maps over the last century and you'll see it's been moseying along.  The magnetic field is dynamic and changes and moves, even in Wisconsin through to Louisiana.]]></content><score></score><crdate>4/22/2008 1:35:43 PM</crdate><rssdate></rssdate><atomdate>2008-04-22T13:35:43+01:00</atomdate></comment><comment><id>244708</id><url>http://www.plime.com/world/l/59251/1/xml_widget.rss#q10</url><title><![CDATA[belvario @ 4/22/2008 1:22:21 PM]]></title><content><![CDATA[To avoid hurting the feelings of any one culture or religion, I think we should just make every longitude represent 0 UT.  Problem solved!  Has the added bonus of making all blinking VCR's show the correct time now everywhere.  Cha ching!]]></content><score></score><crdate>4/22/2008 1:22:21 PM</crdate><rssdate></rssdate><atomdate>2008-04-22T13:22:21+01:00</atomdate></comment><comment><id>244628</id><url>http://www.plime.com/world/l/59251/1/xml_widget.rss#q9</url><title><![CDATA[zzz @ 4/22/2008 12:08:23 PM]]></title><content><![CDATA[<div class='qp pad d'><a class="page-dull td" href="/world/l/59251/1/#q6"><b>&laquo;</b></a>&nbsp;<i><b>2manyusernames</b>&#160;:&#160;Oh please! I know you have your strong bias but really.<br/>It was one scientist and the Muslim who was interviewing him obviously thought the guy was a nut. The interviewer treated the &quot;scientist&quot; with respect and acted as if he believed him just to let the man spout his insanity for the humor and entertainment factor. They do the same thing in many countries. And of course there are kooks in every country as well.<br/><br/>Also there is no such thing as a &quot;zero declination&quot; it is a man-made line, it isn't a physical feature. Any arbitrary point on the globe could be the zero declination. GMT was used not so much because England was a world-power, well yes because of that AND because of the importance of time to ocean going vessels. England was of course the early maritime power, making Greenwich as a logical place for the center point.</i></div>&quot;Zero Declination&quot; has nothing to do with a man-made line.<br/><br/>I am referrring to a line in which, for the past 500 years, there has been no variance between magnetic north and the true north.<br/><br/>Most locations on Earth have a variance between magnetic and true north.  It can be over 10 degrees in most places.<br/><br/>The guy is trying to claim that Mecca has no magnetic variance, which is false.<br/><br/>The line I am referring to is in the US, and it has remained magnetically stable for over 500 years.]]></content><score></score><crdate>4/22/2008 12:08:23 PM</crdate><rssdate></rssdate><atomdate>2008-04-22T12:08:23+01:00</atomdate></comment><comment><id>244548</id><url>http://www.plime.com/world/l/59251/1/xml_widget.rss#q8</url><title><![CDATA[nathanderal @ 4/22/2008 10:29:39 AM]]></title><content><![CDATA[Muslim scientists? Honestly...]]></content><score></score><crdate>4/22/2008 10:29:39 AM</crdate><rssdate></rssdate><atomdate>2008-04-22T10:29:39+01:00</atomdate></comment><comment><id>244536</id><url>http://www.plime.com/world/l/59251/1/xml_widget.rss#q7</url><title><![CDATA[Bandit @ 4/22/2008 10:08:04 AM]]></title><content><![CDATA[STOP!<br/><br/>Mecca-time!<br/><div class='imagecontainer' ><a href='/redir.p?http://www.danielgrissom.com/mc-hammer.jpg' rel='nofollow' target='_blank' ><img  src='/images/null.gif' id='xhttpwwwdanielgrissomcommchammerjpg' style='border:1px solid #CDCDCD;background-color:#E6E6E6;' alt='Click here to show image'/></a><noscript> <span style='display:inline;width:300px;overflow:hidden;'><a class="plime" href="/redir.p?http://www.danielgrissom.com/mc-hammer.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.danielgrissom.com/mc-hammer.jpg</a></span></noscript></div><script>forumimage('http://www.danielgrissom.com/mc-hammer.jpg','xhttpwwwdanielgrissomcommchammerjpg');</script>]]></content><score></score><crdate>4/22/2008 10:08:04 AM</crdate><rssdate></rssdate><atomdate>2008-04-22T10:08:04+01:00</atomdate></comment><comment><id>244515</id><url>http://www.plime.com/world/l/59251/1/xml_widget.rss#q6</url><title><![CDATA[2manyusernames @ 4/22/2008 9:45:36 AM]]></title><content><![CDATA[<div class='qp pad d'><a class="page-dull td" href="/world/l/59251/1/#q2"><b>&laquo;</b></a>&nbsp;<i><b>zzz</b> : The line of zero declination runs from Wisconsin through Louisiana. Over the past 300 years that line has been far more stable than the one which they're trying to use as the basis of the claim that Mecca should be the standard point. <br/><br/>Not only that, but Mecca isn't at zero degrees declination, it's at about 3 to 5 degrees, and the zero line has been moving away from it for the past 50 years.<br/><br/>Yet another case of bulls**t muslim &quot;science&quot;.<br/><br/>There are &quot;scientists&quot; in Iraq, who claim the Earth is flat.</i></div>Oh please! I know you have your strong bias but really.<br/>It was one scientist and the Muslim who was interviewing him obviously thought the guy was a nut. The interviewer treated the &quot;scientist&quot; with respect and acted as if he believed him just to let the man spout his insanity for the humor and entertainment factor. They do the same thing in many countries. And of course there are kooks in every country as well.<br/><br/>Also there is no such thing as a &quot;zero declination&quot; it is a man-made line, it isn't a physical feature. Any arbitrary point on the globe could be the zero declination. GMT was used not so much because England was a world-power, well yes because of that AND because of the importance of time to ocean going vessels. England was of course the early maritime power, making Greenwich as a logical place for the center point.]]></content><score></score><crdate>4/22/2008 9:45:36 AM</crdate><rssdate></rssdate><atomdate>2008-04-22T09:45:36+01:00</atomdate></comment><comment><id>244471</id><url>http://www.plime.com/world/l/59251/1/xml_widget.rss#q5</url><title><![CDATA[2manyusernames @ 4/22/2008 9:05:38 AM]]></title><content><![CDATA[Actually the world should adopt Tallahassee time as that is where I live and I am the center of the universe. Don't believe me? Ask my mom]]></content><score></score><crdate>4/22/2008 9:05:38 AM</crdate><rssdate></rssdate><atomdate>2008-04-22T09:05:38+01:00</atomdate></comment><comment><id>244440</id><url>http://www.plime.com/world/l/59251/1/xml_widget.rss#q4</url><title><![CDATA[Kurt311c @ 4/22/2008 8:42:11 AM]]></title><content><![CDATA[&quot;&quot;He said the English had imposed GMT on the rest of the world by force when Britain was a big colonial power, and it was about time that changed. &quot;&quot;<br/><br/>and im assuming they think they are now the worlds next big power? lol]]></content><score></score><crdate>4/22/2008 8:42:11 AM</crdate><rssdate></rssdate><atomdate>2008-04-22T08:42:11+01:00</atomdate></comment><comment><id>244425</id><url>http://www.plime.com/world/l/59251/1/xml_widget.rss#q3</url><title><![CDATA[gammerus @ 4/22/2008 8:21:43 AM]]></title><content><![CDATA[<div class='qp pad d'><a class="page-dull td" href="/world/l/59251/1/#q2"><b>&laquo;</b></a>&nbsp;<i><b>zzz</b> : <br/><br/>Yet another case of bulls**t muslim &quot;science&quot;.<br/></i></div>That is a bit much dontcha think? It isn't science, it is religion, and isn't exactly hurting you so why do you care so much?<br/><br/><div class='qp pad d'><i>There are &quot;scientists&quot; in Iraq, who claim the Earth is flat.</i></div>There are 'scientists' in America that think the same thing. No matter where you go, there will be dumb asses. Granted it seems to be more tolerated in theocracy's, it still exists everywhere.]]></content><score></score><crdate>4/22/2008 8:21:43 AM</crdate><rssdate></rssdate><atomdate>2008-04-22T08:21:43+01:00</atomdate></comment><comment><id>244418</id><url>http://www.plime.com/world/l/59251/1/xml_widget.rss#q2</url><title><![CDATA[zzz @ 4/22/2008 8:11:22 AM]]></title><content><![CDATA[The line of zero declination runs from Wisconsin through Louisiana. Over the past 300 years that line has been far more stable than the one which they're trying to use as the basis of the claim that Mecca should be the standard point. <br/><br/>Not only that, but Mecca isn't at zero degrees declination, it's at about 3 to 5 degrees, and the zero line has been moving away from it for the past 50 years.<br/><br/>Yet another case of bulls**t muslim &quot;science&quot;.<br/><br/>There are &quot;scientists&quot; in Iraq, who claim the Earth is flat.]]></content><score></score><crdate>4/22/2008 8:11:22 AM</crdate><rssdate></rssdate><atomdate>2008-04-22T08:11:22+01:00</atomdate></comment></items></xml>